Results & Critiques : The Desert Journey!

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Results & Critiques : The Desert Journey!

Postby kaustavsinha » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:53 pm

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Following are the results along with the comments & critiques by our honorable judges on the final entries of the contestants of the challenge, 'The Desert Journey'.

First Place : James Lillich (JamesLillich)

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David Mattingly : Your WIP is epic! You really worked hard to get to this final painting. And the work shows--beautiful, professional work. Great sky, very convincing textures. If I had one suggestion, I would like the figure to pop out a bit more. He is lost in the dark area, and needs something to draw your eyes to it.

Jorik Dozy : Out of all the entries, this is the most succesfull one. It has a very nice feeling to it and looks pretty convincing.
I like the mood and the design of the frame. However it does suffer from quite a lot of resolution, integration and scale issues.
The scales of the structures on the mountain are a bit all over the place and I can also spot quite some cloning in the hill textures.
I chose this as the winner because artistically this is a good image, however, techniqually this could use quite some work. Great painting!

Ronn Brown : Dear James, Right off this has visual impact. The time of day and the sunset magic hour tones are working great with a desert scene. Loving all the reds and purples. Definitely, reminiscent of the American the western painters. Thanks for including all the different directions you took. Some crazy ideas but they all seemed to be play. One of the things we all need to remember is that what we do is play…playing with light in Photoshop. You got some good feedback on composition and you listened. Great. So, the parts I would work on are the soft feeling many areas have. They need to be tightened up by adding more texture and detailing. This can be one of the hardest and least fun parts but needs to be done to have a finished feeling. Also, check to make sure your darks are not too dark. You can do this by using the info tool in Photoshop. The RGB numbers should all be at least 10. And make sure you have some good value depth by making the foreground more contrast and working your way back. Right now the mid and foreground look too similar. Check out some the western painters. You might be motivated to try to match one. Good job.

Lubos de Gerardo Surzin : Too saturated, too red in terms of desert feeling. That should be more yellowish and also I would keep more color variation. Black levels are too strong, ground too blurry and painted. Background mountains have strong edges on RHS. Scale of the cathedral is too big and I miss "air" depth in there. But very cool concept of the painting, which have a strong potential to be nice work done.

Second Place : Himashis Karmakar (Himashis)

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Frederic St-Arnaud : Believing in what you see is one of the most important goal when you create a matte painting. Even if this image does not represent a desert as we know it, it contains a great photo-realistic feeling. The mood is also well done.

David Mattingly : Your entry is beautifully colored, playing warm and cool against each other. The one improvement I can think of would be to play down the bright spots on the middle right, and lower left. You really want your eye to go to the figure in the lower right, but your eye is drawn away from it by those bright areas.

Your second entry (http://i50.tinypic.com/16axyqv.jpg) seems much less successful, more like a quick concept than a finished painting. Also, I would encourage you as a matte artist never to paint anything out of focus. If an element is going to be made out of focus, that will probably be done in the composite, not in the painting.

Rich Mahon : It is a very strong painting. The color range and values are convincing and dramatic. The sky fits into the scene well and the lighting makes for an interesting composition. I have some comments to make and you can look at the image with notes that I've included (http://i45.tinypic.com/35koehv.jpg). Any good matte painting must use photo reference to look real but often that can cause issues of scale, lighting etc. The reference won't always fit together without doing a bit of extra work. The gravel and rocks under the character bottom right is repeated directly above at the foot of the mountain. The repetition is a problem but so is scale. The shadow of the mound he is standing on would be more hard edged and defined with your lighting setup. The hill mid left would most likely be in the shadow of the mountain on the right (see my revision). I added a bit of light and atmosphere in the center of the image. I felt that there would be a bit more atmosphere with the type of sky you have. This would be given as a layer to compositing. They often hate it when matte painters put in atmosphere. Also, the vfx supervisor will want to have control over elements like that. The bright rock at the bottom left of frame is a nice compositional element but is too hot I think. It would probably help if that tall spire-like rock in the very center of frame was a little less dead center. All in all, a very well painted image. Well done.

Jorik Dozy : This is a great piece! It feels pretty real and I really enjoy the values and lighting on this painting. Compositionally we are a bit centered and there are quite a few tangents but it is still a very pleasant image to look at. My biggest comment on this image would be the technical side of things. The texture resolutions are not holding up in places and it makes for
an overall soft feeling on the image. Get some nice sharper textures and you are golden!

Lubos de Gerardo Surzin : Color and black levels issue is there. On top of that way too closed space. I would leave some areas open to have sense of depth. Background sticking rocks are too strong in color and contrast, which in that distance I would expect to be more desaturated, more grey/blue with less detail. Highlights are way too strong in this cloudy condition. Clouds on the LHS bottom are off. I would change them to some else shape to have more variation, depth and scale. Overall I like the misty mood in there. Very good angle and mix of cold/warm color palette.

Third Place : Calvin Chua (Calvin Chua)

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Ronn Brown : Dear Calvin, Nice to see the development of this shot over time. The original concept was strong which is one of the main reasons the end product was a success. I’m glad you started out with gestural drawings…filling into the values from light to dark with some hints of perspective and scale from the very first attempt. My tips on making this stronger would be to work on the lighting a bit more. Seems too scattered and not exactly directional. Nice that you were using reference for the lighting and referenced that what inspired you. Some tips to work on would be (remembering that all monitors look different and it maybe great on yours) the color too is a bit drab from the foreground to the background. Be nice to have more color and then fade out. The textures in the back rocks seem unfinished and the placement is too symmetrical. The spacing is too even. Also, the clouds in the BG need more texture and lighting details. Check out the painter J.M.W.Turner. A classic standby for light reference for many matte painters. I like the ambiguous bones. Reminds me of where elephants go to do die or something like that. Over all a great entry and well worth the effort.

Frederic St-Arnaud : The details in the rock and the background clouds are well achieved. There is something weird with perspective lines according to the horizon but it's fine. You can feel it's what the artist wanted to do. It makes the viewer a bit claustrophobic and dizzy. Nice job!

David Mattingly : Awesome! I love your entry. Your WIP progress shows how you started with a tone study, and built it slowly up to a finished painting in a very professional manner. Nice composition, beautiful sky. I'm not sure what the shapes are on the right middle rock, are they weird shaped rocks, or bones, or what?

Rich Mahon : I really like this painting. It reminds me of a Gustave Dore engraving. The composition is strong and dramatic. The character is framed well by the menacing stone elements.The tilted horizon is interesting. It is certainly right on topic with the "desert journey" theme. The skeleton is also framed really well against the illuminated haze. It suggests there is more to this story. There are some scale issues here as well, I feel. The horizon on the left, because of the scale of texture, feels really close but it seems to line up with an area in the center of frame that looks very far away. It is a little disorienting. It almost feels like a surging wave. To be a matte painting, the foreground rocks would need to be more resolved. As a concept painting this image is really strong. To be used as a matte painting the elements need to be tightened up. The light and shadow in the environment and on the rocks is a bit vague. Better photo reference would help I think. The image has a lot of potential.

Jorik Dozy : Although I would not really pass this as a matte painting, but more as a concept painting, this image has the biggest 'wow' factor to me. I love the intensity of this painting! I like all the distinct shapes and the image just has a great energy to it. However it does not look convincing in a realistic way and lacks a bit of harmony. Compositionally this image does not work 100% and it feels a bit unbalanced, getting a bit better art direction and realism in the lighting would help that a lot.

Honorary Mentions:

Rohit Nayak (MysticalDisaster)

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Frederic St-Arnaud : Nice palette! The pink and blue sunset is interesting. It would be nice to see the entire character in the
foreground instead of cropping it. It would make the visual composition stronger. Sunset and sunrise lighting are always good to
make powerful images... when you can! Good work here.

David Mattingly : A terrific entry. I love how you worked it up from a rough line drawing. I also like how you painted your initial concept, and then used photography only as textures, which I feel is the most liberating way to use photography. Your color and sense of depth are very appealing. Again, I would encourage you as a matte artist to not paint elements out of focus. If anything is going to be put out of focus, the compositor will do that. Same with motion blur.

Lubos de Gerardo Surzin : Crit will be color issue, way too colorful. Clouds are too painterly and I don’t know how to look at the FG rocks, they are just not matching the environment of the other back ones. But I like overall feeling and composition.

Jeremy Schichtel (JeremySchichtel)

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Ronn Brown : Dear Jeremy, Of all the entries I was most interested in yours because of the conceptual ideas you created. It’s something new and familiar at the same time. The dynamic use of large foreground shapes to frame and continue that same framing technique out into the horizon was very interesting and smart. Makes the eye move around and not feel the trappings of a framed “look at me” shot. Even though it is! Great idea. Taking is to the next step I have similar notes that I gave James. It’s needs more detail and the lighting seems a bit inconsistent. If you look at your foreground rock elements they look overhead or overcast lit but the mid to background has a very strong definite side lit evening look to the mountains. Check out some the shots from The Chronicles of Riddick. There are some similar dark looking shots that were inspired by the matte paintings from Lord of the Rings. They have points and similar shapes and values. There is also the landscape paintings for the Forbidden Planet that have similar day time shots you might want to check out. The other part I would pay close attention to is the water elements. They need more detailing as well. You could go shoot some elements specifically for this shot and lay them over. If you film it, you could use a placeholder frame and do a comp in After Effects or Nuke with a nice paralaxing smooth slow push in to give this shot some life. Great job.

David Mattingly : Very fun composition. I think with a sky that blue, the distant mountains might be taking on more of the cool coloration, and that would give you piece even more depth. Also, your background rocks could use a bit more noise. They look more like they are blocked in, and just a touch of rock texture laid over them to add some photographic noise would help.

Thibault Houdon (Doki)

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David Mattingly : Very nice coloration, but again this has a very 3D look to it. In matte painting contests, I prefer to see more painting. Also, your perspective is very extreme here. If you had used less of a wide angle lens, this scene would have been more appealing. This is a very wide angle lens, and probably not one that would be used very often in production.

Prizes

James Lillich (first place winner) is requested to send the details of your residential address and e-mail id to kaustavsinha10@gmail.com | your prize of 'The Digital Matte Painting Handbook' will reach to your home address within a week after you send me your home address details!

The next challenge will be posted very soon; so stay tuned! I will try and bring-in more cool and exciting prizes for the next contest! :)

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Re: Results & Critiques : The Desert Journey!

Postby JamesLillich » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:56 pm

Great entries everyone! Thank you for all of the great feedback, I will be sure to put it all to great use.
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Re: Results & Critiques : The Desert Journey!

Postby Himashis » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:55 am

Thanks for the honor,
Congratz everyone
Thanks a lot judges.... for the valuable feedback, I will definitely keep those in mind while doing the next matte.... :)
Regards,
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Re: Results & Critiques : The Desert Journey!

Postby JeremySchichtel » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:40 am

I would like to extend my thanks to the judges for their thoughtful critiques. They were a treat to read after following the creation of all these entries. I'm looking forward to the next contest!
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